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Post by C.J. Gozdor on Mar 21, 2016 9:18:22 GMT -5
Detroit City FC has tried to have a mascot several times through the years, with some more success than others. I recently read that yesterday was the banishment of Nain Rouge, who is a Detroit Legend of the harbinger of doom. I'm not necessarily saying that he should be our mascot (he is built to represent destruction), but I was wondering if anybody can think of anything cool to do with Nain Rouge? It has "rouge" built right in and has been built into Detroit folklore for 400 years. Take a read below. marchedunainrouge.com/history/
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Post by pirmás697 on Mar 21, 2016 10:00:36 GMT -5
There is a tad of debate over the origin and symbology of the Nain Rouge that essentially makes it persona non grata.
Some suspect that the idea of the red devil is one based in race (red referring to a non-PC depiction of Native Americans). I don't buy into this (similar myths and legends predate the French presence in North America and also existed in non-colonizing cultures far too soon after French colonialism to have spread naturally), but I know there are people who do and legitimately so.
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Post by seangrogan on Mar 21, 2016 10:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by thegozfather on Mar 21, 2016 11:24:27 GMT -5
There is a tad of debate over the origin and symbology of the Nain Rouge that essentially makes it persona non grata. Some suspect that the idea of the red devil is one based in race (red referring to a non-PC depiction of Native Americans). I don't buy into this (similar myths and legends predate the French presence in North America and also existed in non-colonizing cultures far too soon after French colonialism to have spread naturally), but I know there are people who do and legitimately so. I did not know about that, thanks for bringing that up. My only experience with Nain is what I read earlier today, so I am pretty unaware of most things concerning him besides the general concept. Thank you for your insight.
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Post by pirmás697 on Mar 21, 2016 11:34:37 GMT -5
There is a tad of debate over the origin and symbology of the Nain Rouge that essentially makes it persona non grata. Some suspect that the idea of the red devil is one based in race (red referring to a non-PC depiction of Native Americans). I don't buy into this (similar myths and legends predate the French presence in North America and also existed in non-colonizing cultures far too soon after French colonialism to have spread naturally), but I know there are people who do and legitimately so. I did not know about that, thanks for bringing that up. My only experience with Nain is what I read earlier today, so I am pretty unaware of most things concerning him besides the general concept. Thank you for your insight. Take it with a grain of salt - I don't buy this particular Red to Natives leap in logic. Lutins, Dwarfs, Gnomes, and Kobolds who often wear red hats or are red were extremely common in Western European lore, especially among Germanic peoples and their descendants (including the French and doubly for the Normans from where the Nain Rouge supposedly originated). C.f. the Redcaps, a Northumbrian relative of the Nain Rouge, who live in abandoned castles on the Scottish frontier and kill travelers and harvest their blood to dye their hats (hence their name); if the hat ever dries out they die. The March could just as easily be thought of as a march of pint-sized Communists fleeing McCarthy.
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Post by moz on Mar 22, 2016 8:13:59 GMT -5
Also, I remember looking into it and it seemed like the first recorded use of "red man" as a descriptor of Native Americans postdated Cadillac.
We did the first few Marches du Nain Rouge, haven't been to the last two since it's gotten fairly unwieldy and less fun.
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